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@EldarMurtazin says New Symbian^3 Browser delayed until Feb 2011

I know a few of you hate any Eldar Murtazin related posts – but regardless of what’s occurred in the past he does still enjoy poking the bull and does come out with, let’s say, “interesting” snippets of insider info.

Just now he’s tweeted that the new up and coming browser is not appearing until February 2011. Wasn’t it expected to appear this side at least in 2010 and around October-ish? I haven’t been following the time scale so I don’t really know if it’s late or if 2011 for the new firmware and new browser was already the due date.

Still, with Symbian features now not necessary coming out in bulk with features (but rather when they’re ready) we may see other enhancements coming much sooner, such as the new swipy-swipy draggable homescreen, possibly the portrait QWERTY (and 3rd party SWYPE support!) and other general bug fixes.

If true it’s a shame that there’s another wait. But that means, Nokia, you frikkin have to deliver. You cannot be late and produce something craptastic. This new browser better be on par with whatever is released.

BTW Eldar of course also says…

“Symbian is dead, thats clear from latest news….No need to put more pressure to the dead OS”

This was in reply to  O_NunoPereira who said

“I find it bit weird that @eldarmurtazin haven’t written anything about latest news on symbian. Does this mean it was a good decision? :D”

Dead OS? Ah…something for Engadget to pick up. Any bad Nokia “news” is great Engadget news. Cue “dying dinosaur”, “go Android”, “Go WP7” and “Nokia Still make phones?” comments.

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Update: Apparently Nokia said today that New Symbian^3 Browser delayed until 2011 along with 50+ improvements (tweeted by @chilko – source was SEE2010 keynote)

Thanks to @chilko for the heads up on the source @AAS who are at SEE2010

“50+ enhancements coming to S^3. Portrait QWERTY, new browser, split screen input and more. Arrives early 2011. Fr new and existing devices”


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  1. Don
    November 9, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Eldar will be Eldar, he’s got some issues 🙂

    My speculation comes from a biased mind, obviously, but, maybe they keep thinking “well let’s add this one more feature”, might as well go all the way, especially now when there will be no different browsers for S^3/4, instead of a QtWebkit based browser from the 4.6.3 era, have a Qt Quick QML tiled rendering based browser with a full QML UI running on a 4.7 based webkit. Before that, need to finish some rough edges and tie up some loose ends, get 4.7 in the firmware, etc. Expectations are high, better to blow everyone away a bit later than get a “meh ok” response earlier.

    Maybe 🙂 And that is if we really don’t see the new browser before 2011.

    Any other thoughts?

    • Jim
      November 9, 2010 at 2:53 pm

      we won’t see the browser before Q1 2011 . And the reason is because qt 4.7 won’t be on symbian 3 devices until q1. I can tell you this for sure.

      you can install qt 4.7 developer edition separately and probably we will see the new browser in the beta labs before Christmas.

    • Roger
      November 9, 2010 at 5:39 pm

      I don’t mind at all. So what if it’s ‘delayed’? (remembering we’ve had nothing but rumour on any date, nothing official so unfair to say it’s delayed). It just means better software rather than rushed software.

      Honestly, this is non-news. It is of course an opportunity for certain folk to exploit and exaggerate and attack Nokia with. Which merely shows how biased those people are and we are fools if we listen to what they say.

  2. Henrikki
    November 9, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    I am not sure this qualifies as a postpoment. I haven’t seen Nokia officially declaring anything abt the schedule of new FW feature.

    It’s Eldar making the claim, that they are late with something..

  3. Rant
    November 9, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    There we go again, it better be utterly fantastic when it comes in February. If there are still influential bugs in it by then Nokia are just destroying their brand name in a rapid fashion.

    As you say Jay, the time is now. Deliver now, sell tommorow. If the consumer (the more tech savy ones) see that Nokia ia actually putting heavy effort into updating the obvious flaws Symbian now has that will restore faith in the platform.

    Assuming it is true that it will be until feb. before the major components are updated (a browser is in my opinion) that’s just waaaay too late. They have had years to improve it. Heck they even have a good browser in Maemo I have been told.

    Yes, the hardware is fantastic, yes they make great phones, yes they update your phone for years to come. But if it takes years (sarcasm) before the first update comes it doesn’t mean Jack.

    I’m currently so eff’d up with Nokia. Don’t they see, don’t they want to see?

    • Don
      November 9, 2010 at 3:06 pm

      It’s true they had years to improve things, on the other hand Qt Quick wasn’t around then.

      That’s not meant to excuse anything, obviously. I also rather have it today than tomorrow, let alone February. But things seem to be actually moving now, and I believe exciting things are coming.

      And believe it or not (well, this will probably not surprise anyone), having used it now for a month I am pretty happy with the N8. Opera Mobile is a fine browser, and would be perfect if it had pinch zoom.

      So if this is its worst, (compare initial N97 firmware!) and it’s only going to get better, I am not complaining 🙂

      • Keith
        November 9, 2010 at 3:15 pm

        Totally agree with you, Don. Guys who are complaining, think about it. Symbian UI is different from iOS and Android, yes. Less user-friendly in some apps, but some apps have caught up. Eg. the Music Player. If the surface UI is so important, go use SPB Mobileshell and you can have your N8 look exactly like Android. To me, it’s in fact more important if Nokia can put more effort to collaborate with developers to make more apps.

      • Rant
        November 9, 2010 at 3:41 pm

        I understand development takes a while especially when they have completly changed the course to go.
        But Nokia is more a tech company than a selling company at times.

        They make some really great stuff, innovated so much that most of the phone capabilities we have today are credited to Nokia.
        But still, what Nokia loses today to Android, iOS, BB or what it may be. They are generally losing for 2 years (contracts)
        If you than consider that if someone is happy with one of the aformentioned OS’s or OEM’s they are likely to stay there.
        Therefor it is now time to show what they are doing to please us; the customers.

        While I do like that the release of for example a new browser is trouble free it simply can’t wait that long.
        The one that ships now with Symbian is crap. Then there is the matter of the input method; another example of half baked stuff.
        I simply can not believe that making a decent QWERTY that doesn’t have the text overlap takes so much time to make.

  4. DAvid
    November 9, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    I really hope there will be some patch between now and February, and what will appear in February will be a kind of Service Pack, compiling all previous patches into a single upgrade…

    Please Nokia, not not wait so long before delivering such an awaited (and NEEDED !) improvement to your platform otherwise, you’ll offer some market shares to your competitors, that currently bring a better user experience with their OS (be it iOS or Android).

    A N8 owner…

  5. GordonH
    November 9, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Symbian is here to stay, the american media wants to hype their smartphone OS. It’s the only non-American OS that is thriving and improving. If safari was super great, Opera mobile wouldn’t have so many downloads. Skyfire was a great success too on the app store.
    Sure the N8 needs improvements but I’m glad Nokia gave us all those “features”.
    Iphone is in trend amongst the girls and boys and most haven’t got a clue how to use it properly. From real life experience iphone uses did not know how to use email, setup an appointment in the calender, put photos in their phone and send sms. But most knew how to use safari, only thing it’s good(not the best) for is internet and games.
    My point is people will always find some fault in symbian and echo it like it’s the worst thing to happen to a smartphone.

    • Don
      November 9, 2010 at 3:13 pm

      Well Safari Mobile is (was?) infuriating in that it casually not supports things such as contentEditable (forget updating your blog without some custom app!) and has an extremely condescending page at Apple telling you how to cripple your website for use in safari mobile, especially considering the whole HTML5 evangelizing Jobs does.

      However browsing the web on the iphone is otherwise very pleasant, much more so than the standard Symbian browsing. If Nokia can get the same level of UX, I’d be a happy camper.

      • Keith
        November 9, 2010 at 3:17 pm

        But then again, what’s stopping anyone from using Opera Mobile? It is (by my standard) a MUCH better browser than the Nokia one. It’s FREE also. Does it matter if Nokia makes it, or Opera makes it? So long as it is available for free?

        • Don
          November 9, 2010 at 3:20 pm

          True, I mentioned in another comment opera mobile is fine to use on the N8 🙂 (just would like pinch zoom, find myself sometimes aiming for some tiny link between other links with my pinky)

        • Dave
          November 9, 2010 at 3:32 pm

          The only catch with Opera (mobile at least) is that it causes both S^1 and S^3 devices to hang – so I prefer to stick with the stock browser and not have to do three finger salutes.

          I’ve got Opera Mini, but it really feels nasty compared to Opera Mobile.

          • Rant
            November 9, 2010 at 3:44 pm

            Haven’t had one single hang with Opera Mobile. Neither PR or Beta release.

            You can get it to hang however, but than you need to load the big full websites with all settings in Opera set to the heaviest possible.

  6. Keith
    November 9, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    I’m using an N8 and personally, I don’t find major issues that leave me begging for an upgrade quickly. This is not like…say, N97. True, there are some components that could benefit from a refresh, but it isn’t like the phone is broken or anything. I’d rather Nokia release something later, but well tested and with good quality.

    The more important thing will be for Nokia to entice developers to make software for Symbian^3. Take a look at some of the new HD games. It’s clear that good apps are possible on this platform. It ain’t terribly broken. The UI is not as user-friendly, but again, it’s not broken or anything.

    Just want to put it in perspective.

    • Dave
      November 9, 2010 at 3:34 pm

      My only issues with the N8 after a week have been caused by Opera.

      Everything else does basically work, and for the most part appear to work quite well.

      Enticing developers will be interesting – right now it looks as though they’re making all the right noises, only time will tell.

      One things for sure, Eldar is getting way too big for his boots – at this rate he’ll be writing for Gizmodo.

      • Keith
        November 9, 2010 at 3:43 pm

        Eldar always has an axe to grind with Nokia… that’s a fact and everyone knows it. Anyway, I hope there will be more developers who will hop on QT. Actually, if I know how to code, I would probably work on QT rather than iOS or Android. Think about it, you need to compete with tens of thousands of apps for attention on iOS/Android, whereas it is easy for good apps now to get good coverage on Symbian. 🙂 Sounds like a no-brainer to me, but then I am not a developer.

        • Average Joe
          November 9, 2010 at 4:18 pm

          That’s right, and you also get access to an installation base that is theoretically wider than the ones of Android and iOS combined. And where people can buy apps using phone credit without need for a credit card, which can be useful to catch “impulse buyers”.

          On the other hand, if there are such business opportunities, but relatively few developers invested in Symbian in the near past, we can read that clearly there was a problem with the old Symbian SDK.

  7. Keith
    November 9, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    I hate Eldar. But, many of the things he’s leaked out have been true in the past. N8, C7, The mystery MeeGo tablet, etc….
    If this is true, then Nokia better do it right coz that’s a LOT of time they are asking for and they shouldn’t disappoint symbian users. I hope they won’t.

    And at the end, if it’s good, I’d have no complaints for Nokia 🙂

    • Cocco Bill
      November 9, 2010 at 10:53 pm

      Eldar is a liar. That’s all there is to know. People should just ignore his sorry ass. I can’t understand why people still listen to this sorry excuse of a man.

      He claimed N8’s camera was not good for example! That’s how full of shit he is. I won’t believe anything that’s coming from that a-hole.

  8. Johnny Tremaine
    November 9, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Well, Nokia just confirmed that it’s coming in early-first half of 2011. It’s over at ZDNet UK, which has an interview with Jo Harlow, of Nokia.

    So right from their mouths: browser not until next year.

    Sure Opera is fine, but if you hit a widget, an RSS feed, or open a link from email, Facebook or Twitter, guess what, you’re back to using the same cruddy, ancient browser.

  9. pkatt
    November 9, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Nokia E7 will be shipped 10th December and will come with the new browser – we’ll see?

  10. dsmobile
    November 9, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    I only know there is 2 different browsers under work. So 2011 there will be 2 new browsers coming from Nokia then for symbian.

    • Don
      November 9, 2010 at 8:12 pm

      Nice to see you on this forum as well ds.

      Without saying anything you shouldn’t, can you comment on what the differences are, if any? Like if one is a S^3 style (Symbian menus etc) and the other S^4 (more touch friendly), or if they are similar (and so must have some technical difference, perhaps QML versus QWidgets).

      • dsmobile
        November 9, 2010 at 9:30 pm

        I think it was something Qt related. So I guess it is for Symbian that is running with new UI.

    • alex68
      November 10, 2010 at 9:07 pm

      Now I can confirm there are two browsers under work. I just tested another one.

      Eldar is just a liar + speculator. He actually doesn’t know things but wild guess things from some hints.

  11. alex68
    November 9, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    If you guys don’t believe my “by the year end”, wait and see…

    Eldar will fail again and prove he is just a clown and troll.

    • A-S-D
      November 9, 2010 at 10:40 pm

      I swear Nokia said a while ago that the browser would come in updates to S^3 devices in 1Q 2011, however, the E7 would start shipping in December with the new browser pre-installed.

  12. John Wiegand-forson
    November 9, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    It frustrating as an N8 user but then again there aren’t too many issues that need fixing now. To be honest I would rather have a handful of good Qt apps right now to keep me busy 🙂

  13. Mark Anderson
    November 9, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    So… let’s get this right. Eldar is whining about having to wait three months for something that we didn’t expect for at least two, which is an improvement and the current lack off isn’t a showstopper anyway.

    And this is a problem because…?

    I kind of didn’t expect anything until January apart from the odd stability fix. I doubt many people did.

    • James
      November 10, 2010 at 1:25 am

      I didn’t expect the last week’s set of updates for the N8.

      Actually, to me, the problem with Nokia isn’t so much in the number of apps, or the rate of updates, or the UI, or the age of the OS, as much as the coherence of the apps and the OS.

      Installing a few of the new apps on the N8 sometimes somehow either crashes the screensaver or the browser. It is nice that there is a nonvolatile factory restore mode though.

      Also, while indoors (granted being indoors), Ovi Maps as well as Google Maps located it in the general area correctly but apps like Foursquare and a couple of other apps had it in another Continent! Yet Foursquare in Gravity was spot on. Go figure. I thought the Foursquare app for Symbian was made by Nokia.

      And why does Google Maps always locate more accurately and faster than Ovi Maps in the N82, E72, and the N8 anyway? Boggles the mind.

  14. Georg
    November 10, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Eldar may be an idiot but he is right often times.
    The fact that a modern browser isn’t out by now is bad enough, to further delay it is a fiasco, again.
    Engadget asked the right question- when Palm and M$ could redo their mobile OS completely in 2 years, why has Nokia not been able to do more changes to its OS in the same time period? S3 is still so much like 5th ed it looks like a 6 months job.
    And “50 improvements”- yeah sure, and how many of those does the user see and really need? That anouncement’s just buying time which they don’t have.

    • Mark Anderson
      November 10, 2010 at 12:53 pm

      Really, Georg, I tought sales went up last quarter and increased by 61% YonY? Do you really think a three month wait is a problem considering a lot of Android owners had to wait for Flash support for months on end?

      They have plenty of time, Georg.

    • alex68
      November 10, 2010 at 12:59 pm

      Nokia surely has had serious leadership and management problems as they missed a lot and did not go straight to what they are doing nowadays. They just made so many changes and did not have ideas how to do thing and what should be done first. That’s why I have said many times before half of the top management should be sacked, and many mid-level management should go home as well. It did not happen yet but will happen. Recent 1800 layoff was not enough in my eyes.

      According to my recent experience with the major update candidate, it does have many visible features or improvements already, some of them pretty cool actually. I am very sure the new features and improvements are welcomed. As I said before I just wanted to keep them secret for the time being. When times comes, people will enjoy and thank the good work.

      • Rant
        November 10, 2010 at 1:58 pm

        While it is nice that improvements are coming and they will be noticeable, I do believe that a big part of the damage has already been done.
        Nokia always had a good name, but they squandered it over the past 2 years.

        One negative experience can kill the sympathy you have with a device/manufacturer.

        While Nokia is working hard to resolve issues it just doesn’t seem like that they are willing enough. Ofcourse developing takes time (conceiving, creating, testing and rolling out takes time) but all these promises which have been mere empty shells so far.

        • Cocco Bill
          November 10, 2010 at 7:20 pm

          Just curious, but what are these promises Nokia has made that you’re talking about?

          Personally I haven’t seen Nokia making specific promises much. What I have seen, is a lot of rumours in the internet. The new browser is an example. As far as I know, Nokia didn’t give info about it’s release date until now. There has been various rumours, but nothing official from Nokia. If there is something, then I have totally missed it.

          To me it seems that people confuse internet rumours and official announcements from Nokia. And then criticize Nokia not doing things the way they the rumours said. Rumours are after all rumours. Not fact.

          • alex68
            November 10, 2010 at 7:50 pm

            Let me explain why Eldar SOMETIMES quite right about the rumour from his shitty bad mouth.

            This time one Nokia VP hinted a time point early 2010 for the release +50 improvement in Symbian 3.

            In Finland, we have traditional one week winter holiday besides Christmas holidays. Basically nothing significant can be done in January. If there is no release by year end, the release can be in as late as Feb. Summer time even worse, we have 4 weeks holidays, basically from mid-June to August. So nothing significant can be done during this period either.

            I DO hope Nokia are able to make Eldar FAIL BIG TIME this time. If Nokia are determined, Nokia do have big potential, according to what I have seen from the shape of the major update a few weeks ago.

            The major problem that Nokia had was the poor leadership and management made Nokia lose the ability to find direction fast. Now I do believe they have found but still need some struggle.

          • Rant
            November 10, 2010 at 10:49 pm

            First off: Don’t see me as a Nokia basher, love them. Just a little less since I experienced S60v5. However, regarding empty promises; That was maybe a little hasty to put it that way.
            It probably stems from my confusion that a giant like Nokia which single handedly changed the way we communicate (back in the 90’s and early 2000’s) but has been a mere shadow lately (pre S3 time)

            Just seeing Nokia squander the good name from the early 2000’s in a fashion I have never seen before. But, every star has it’s time of fame. And NOK will certainly have it again. Just like Apple did in the 70’s/80’s and now again. Companies can rise from ‘ashes’. I have hope.

            Ignore that empty promiss thing. 😉

  15. Cocco Bill
    November 10, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    alex68

    I was actually asking Rant about the empty shell promises he was talking about. The position of my post makes it look like I was writing to you which was not the intention. Sorry about that.

    I agree with you that Eldar is a trolling liar and not to be trusted at all. He and his crappy, Nokia hating blog should be ignored…totally.

    • Georg
      November 10, 2010 at 10:40 pm

      Man, you guys should really take a chill pill.
      Alex, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again- using words like “shitty mouth and troll” excessively shows more about you than about the person you’re trying to insult.
      Remeber our first exchange? I linked a post in which I told Edgar what I thought about his comment on the N8 camera- you didn’t even read it but insulted me instead.
      Now I’m not a big fan of his but he was right many times and calling him names really only tells something about you, not him. You can’t touch him.

      • Rant
        November 10, 2010 at 10:52 pm

        With you on that one. Troll callers are often worse trolls than the ones that are trolls. Not implying Alex or anyone here is though.

        Let’s just all get along 😛

        Regarding Eldar, liar or not. The man cannot grab these things out of thin air or fully make them up when it appears he is close to thruthfull things.
        And don’t only read NOK related posts, he can be critical about other brands, just not that often.
        By no means defendign him here, but do look beyond your initial rage agaitn anyone and just see that we don’t all share the same poijt of view.

        • alex68
          November 11, 2010 at 9:44 am

          I usually do not like to debate for the sake of debate.

          Why I constantly call Eldar a liar and troll? Let us just back track his recent records only…

          After N8 release, he made a review of comparison N8 and Samsung. In his review, this liar trolled nausealy that Samsung camera performed better than N8 that challenged the IQ of the average Joe public.

          In late Sep, there was a rumor that N8 was delayed again. This ugly clown jumped out and started blahblah from his shitty mouth. Actually inside Nokia house the fixes were under verification and regression tests (for any serious application, 1 week to 2 are necessary to qualify the fixes or workaround), and nothing was certain. But this clown made a decision of delay and announced it ON BEHALF OF NOKIA because he just smelt something and thought an opportunity to show off. Unfortunately he failed with a bad luck.

          Even ealier he stated that N8 had cheap led display because he just got some abandoned old prototype. Nokia have had many prototypes that never go to markets. Recently I even saw a prototype that has two physical buttons for “make a call” and “reject a call” respectively.

          Again that leaked N9 was also an old prototype that was abandoned when he got to “peek” it. To disrupt the N8, he tried hard to praise the died N9 prototype to hold people back from buying N8.

          • alex68
            November 11, 2010 at 9:49 am

            And this time, he made an announcement of delay and a schedule for Nokia again.

        • alex68
          November 11, 2010 at 10:29 am

          Actually this time Eldar doesn\t have any ideas about Nokia’s “when to deliver what”. He just speculated and made a decision and announcement that is full of bullshit.

      • Cocco Bill
        November 11, 2010 at 12:43 pm

        I’m totally calm. I just like to call a spade a spade and not be politically correct. I simply have no respect for liars.

        Eldar has lied numerous times when it comes to Nokia. (Alex68 wrote some of the things.) So he is by definition, a liar. And that is the reason I think nobody should read his blog. Liars cannot be trusted. That’s a fact I have learned early on in my life.

        • John
          November 12, 2010 at 12:42 pm

          so you should trust NOKIA neither.. biggest liars around.. and you shouldn’t buy their products.. since you should not support any liars.. simple logic – now go and put the phone on the asphalt – someone will drive over it and you will be free again!

  16. pradeep
    November 17, 2010 at 4:39 am

    is there by any chance nokia gonna give option to customize the sms tone as we do with ringtones,,,assigning the sms tones for individual contacts ?

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