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The Truth about engadget’s Nokia N8 versus iPhone 4

UPDATE: ENGADGET HAS CLOSED OFF COMMENTS AND CENSORED POSTS, DELETING A FEW HUNDRED THAT POINT OUT THEIR POSTS’ FAILINGS.

A few of you have sent this link to us (adnan/n#o#r#u#l#e#s/a few others through comments). It’s at shoppaholicdaily.com/n8/ who took the time to investigate the iPhone 4 versus Nokia N8 camera “test” (aka lookhowcooliPhoneis) that engadget showed the world.

It’s not about being unhappy because according to the fanboy driven comments, iPhone 4 was better – it is about having FAIR and BALANCED tests with EQUAL PARAMETERS, minimizing HUMAN ERROR (such as

  • dirty lenses (please clean both. The slightest smudge adversely affects images – hence why I miss camera cover for N8)
  • half pressed false locked images (trying to take a shot but not letting autofocus lock properly -why?)
  • Subjects focused on different objects. This makes it terribly hard to compare because both might be clear, but just at different part of the photo (due to human error and not the devices)
  • Removing automode for flash (or tampering with any setting other than auto – just let the cameras do by default what they’re supposed to do)
  • Distinct motion blurs (to an extent, a cam should have some sort of antiblur – or be fast enough not to register movement, but an obvious movement on one handset but not the other is distracting. Perhaps for a few shots, set it on a tripod?)
  • overly compressing images which lessens the differences – having 12MP and 5mp images and then shrinking them down to obscurity will obviously minimise the differences between the two photos.
  • Not providing full size images from both devices (if you’re doing a bloody comparison, despite the incompetences and failures above, still provide the image samples from both devices as it’s extremely difficult to tell differences between any camera when your viewing window is VGA)
  • not showing pixel for pixel comparison. This would show if at all the extra 7MP from the 12vs5mp makes a difference. Are those pixel for pixel shots still clear?

Not to mention the lack of night mode, extreme low light which any xenon phone would crush a LED counterpart.

  • The reason we say this is that Engadget isn’t the only source of N8 samples.

We have seen time and time again that the N8 produces incredibly detailed photos with very accurate colours (which Damien Dinning was adamant on having the N8 capture what you see, not a false fairy land depiction e.g. according to engadget, dull grey skies don’t exist in London. They’re not blue either. Just a canvas of ghostly white)

So here’s an excerpt from the post we’d like to share from shoppaholicdaily.com/n8/

Recently, Engadget posted a mobile phone camera fight between Nokia N8 vs iPhone 4. I honestly don’t know how or why their N8 photos came out so shitty compared to the iPhone; and the iPhone photos they took were pretty shit, so that’s saying a lot.

Most of the problems with the photos really were due to the resizing, heavy compression employed and human error with the camera focus. They then presented the comparisons to be heavily biased towards the iPhone. In short, the comparisons were very badly done and heavily skewed against the N8. Many of us have seen samples from other sites that clearly showed the N8 camera as being superior and of closer quality to a good, dedicated point and shoot camera.

We’re here to take Engadget’s extremely amateur comparison and even it out more.

The writer demonstrates the over processing to iPhone 4 pictures (and shopping the N8. Some would argue that that’s how people prefer their photos. Odd – how come those bagillions of digital cameras aren’t shitting crayola colours on their photos? But to each their own. N95 vs K850 fell for the same, with N95 producing the cartoony colours.

Slight adjustments to saturation gives a little warm to N8 but transports iPhone 4 to SEPIA land.

Doing post processing isn’t really necessary to prove the N8’s worth. Some have argued that iPhone 4 post processing is so perfect, any more tips it over the edge (*cough*BS allergy*). You guys have done the N8 justice time and time again by showing off your own image samples.

We shared our own tests – from independent resources and took a look at 100% pixel by pixel crops, showing just how good the Nokia N8 is – not just against the iPhone 4, but against dedicated compact digital cameras. In some cases (especially in terms of detail as the N8 will have larger sensors than most compact cams) there is much more detail in Nokia’s mobile phone.

p.s. thanks to the blogs posting about this and showing that there was a reason to make such a big deal about the N8 camera.

We should expect more comparisons with the N8’s camera with other devices – camera phones, cameras, SLRs etc. It is after all, the N8’s show stopper. We might have another debate sooner than we think tomorrow, as renowned shit stirrer, Eldar said this morning:

“@eldarmurtazin: Symbian fans so funny after engadget comparisson. They are find out thousand explanations. Tomorrow they will cry much more”

Samsung Pixon 12 vs Nokia N8? Another iPhone 4 vs Nokia N8? What ever the results, it should be taken with a pinch of salt as there already seems to be the intent of just pissing off a certain category of users.

via shoppaholicdaily.com/n8/


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  1. Jaz
    October 4, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Just have a look at this post. This will clear any doubts about N8’s Camera capabilities. (Sad it will not have any effect on engadget though!)
    http://www.fonearena.com/blog/24118/exclusive-89-live-pictures-from-the-nokia-n8-camera.html

  2. October 4, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Wow a big lie….. N8 Sucks….

    • alex68
      October 4, 2010 at 4:49 pm

      You clueless idiot, go back to your cage!

    • mj
      October 4, 2010 at 4:53 pm

      The update is correct, the posts pointing to http://shoppaholicdaily.com/n8/ seem to be gone. Also last time I checked there were well over 1300 posts, even heading towards 1400. Now there are only 1250 or so.

      How low can Engadget get!!

  3. Jed
    October 4, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    engadet have a track record of censoring comments on a massive scale if they don’t like the way things are going.
    I’ve seen it 1st-hand, its quite disturbing….

    Fair-enough delete stupid/obscene/inane comments, but ones that put forth solid arguments, have no place being censored.

  4. Dan
    October 4, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Check out this blatant anti-Nokia censorship by the same Vlad Savov: http://oi51.tinypic.com/4r2sdy.jpg

  5. Johan Krüger-Haglert
    October 5, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Swedish:
    https://www.avanza.se/aza/press/forum/trad.jsp?threadId=979759#post_1898567
    Translated:

    Anyhow, without knowing what white balance is the correct one (I wasn’t there) there’s much to be said about the images:
    * Dynamic range of N8 on the statues stomach and the metal plate around the window seem much better.
    * Dynamic range is waaay ahead on the N8 compared to the iPhone 4 under the ridge with the valves (english isn’t my native language so .. But under the window)
    * N8 got more details on the tiles on the roof.
    * Sky may suggest N8 dynamic range is superior to.

    But it should be, 1/1.83″ sensor vs 1/3+” sensor shouldn’t be a contest. Pixels are just slightly smaller at 12 mpx on the larger one vs 5 mpx on the smaller one but grouped together it still outperform the iPhone 4 by a huge margin and get more details.

    Saturation I don’t care. One don’t have to saturate the images, each picture should be processed for optimal results not with the same settings.

    Amazing that the N8 actually beat the Ixus 130. I did the comparison before, the Powershot S95 which cost more than twice that of the Ixus 130 (actually the Powershot S95 cost more than the Nokia N8) has 10 mpx on 1/1.7″ so slight advantage over the N8. The Ixus 130 however had 10 mpx on 1/2.3″ and hence should be behind, but then glass and light matters to. Amazing that the N8 could actually out-perform it. (Of course there may be generation differences of the sensors to, technology moves forward.)

    The controlled thingy is still yet another total pwnage from the N8.

    And as said, it should be. The lens let in more light and the sensor is much bigger than on the iPhone4. Anyone ever claiming the iPhone4 as camera would be superior should go get their mental status checked.

    Sad that some retards/fanboys will claim the opposite.

    The N8 may even be good enough to actually replace a pocket camera.

  6. Ceee
    October 5, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    mj :
    Good to see people taking time to show the complete story.
    Can’t wait to get the phone, will compare it to my 400D and 450D.
    (BTW, a lot of stores in west London now have dummy phones, brochures, display stands etc, just no stock)

    Would this help?
    http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/10/04/shootout-nokia-n8-v-canon-550d-dslr/

  7. Intosh
    October 6, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Engadget just deleted my post that mentioned this webpage. I subtlely gave a bit.ly link pointing here but they managed to spot it anyway. LOL

    • alex68
      October 6, 2010 at 10:01 pm

      They first deleted my post, then sensored my post, finally disabled my account totally. Now I can just ignore Engadget. Hopeless!

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